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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ TodayForward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ TodayForward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  I&#039;d add that seeking out hourly fee advisors who work independent of a product company will put you at better odds of finding someone to work with over the long haul.  I despise captive agents, whole life pushers, and the like.  Independent, fee based financial advisors will hold FINRA Series 7, 65, 66 and those that are principals (on the hook for any misdeeds of the reps they oversee) hold FINRA Series 24 licenses.  You can check your prospective advisor using FINRA&#039;s BrokerCheck.  This will give you some limited information on their current Broker/Dealer/Registered Investment Adviser (this is the company they do business through), the licenses held, their previous employment, and any complaints they have on their record.

Beyond this, you should get a copy of the advisor&#039;s ADV Part II which details fee schedules, etc.  Often these are overstated on the fees compared to what the advisor actually charges.

Also, as to cost, the transition from commissions in the 1990s to &#039;fee based&#039; after the tech collapse is a JOKE!  Advisors went from getting $50 or $200 per trade to charging a percentage of assets held (for some it was a pay raise).  I did this percent fee for a while, but then converted to an hourly rate.  Think about it.  What extra decisions/work goes into a $1 million portfolio versus a $100,000 portfolio?  Not much.  That&#039;s why hourly is the way to go.

Also, there are far too many sources of financial planning online to go immediately to an advisor.  Exhaust resources online first, then go to an advisor.  You&#039;ll have a more productive conversation and the expectations will be more realistic.

Sorry about the soap box, but there are so many that call themselves &#039;financial advisors&#039;, but very, very few of them conduct business as an advisor...most are just salespeople.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  I&#8217;d add that seeking out hourly fee advisors who work independent of a product company will put you at better odds of finding someone to work with over the long haul.  I despise captive agents, whole life pushers, and the like.  Independent, fee based financial advisors will hold FINRA Series 7, 65, 66 and those that are principals (on the hook for any misdeeds of the reps they oversee) hold FINRA Series 24 licenses.  You can check your prospective advisor using FINRA&#8217;s BrokerCheck.  This will give you some limited information on their current Broker/Dealer/Registered Investment Adviser (this is the company they do business through), the licenses held, their previous employment, and any complaints they have on their record.</p>
<p>Beyond this, you should get a copy of the advisor&#8217;s ADV Part II which details fee schedules, etc.  Often these are overstated on the fees compared to what the advisor actually charges.</p>
<p>Also, as to cost, the transition from commissions in the 1990s to &#8216;fee based&#8217; after the tech collapse is a JOKE!  Advisors went from getting $50 or $200 per trade to charging a percentage of assets held (for some it was a pay raise).  I did this percent fee for a while, but then converted to an hourly rate.  Think about it.  What extra decisions/work goes into a $1 million portfolio versus a $100,000 portfolio?  Not much.  That&#8217;s why hourly is the way to go.</p>
<p>Also, there are far too many sources of financial planning online to go immediately to an advisor.  Exhaust resources online first, then go to an advisor.  You&#8217;ll have a more productive conversation and the expectations will be more realistic.</p>
<p>Sorry about the soap box, but there are so many that call themselves &#8216;financial advisors&#8217;, but very, very few of them conduct business as an advisor&#8230;most are just salespeople.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresno Money Coach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresno Money Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will agree with some of what has already been said.  I *good* financial advisor should educate their clients, first and foremost.  Sometimes a *good* financial advisor should say, &quot;Whoa, you have too much credit card debt to be buying stocks.  Let&#039;s work on that first.&quot;  Of course, there is a difference between a *good* financial advisor and a profitable one!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will agree with some of what has already been said.  I *good* financial advisor should educate their clients, first and foremost.  Sometimes a *good* financial advisor should say, &#8220;Whoa, you have too much credit card debt to be buying stocks.  Let&#8217;s work on that first.&#8221;  Of course, there is a difference between a *good* financial advisor and a profitable one!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing worth noting is that the successful investment managers that you mentioned: Buffett and Swenson, those guys are truly &quot;active&quot; investors in that they don&#039;t just invest capital; they actually get involved in the operations of many of their investment assets.  This is why they&#039;re to busy to also be advisers to individuals.

On the semantics of title, there is no universal definition of &quot;financial adviser.&quot;  It&#039;s like &quot;healthcare provider.&quot;  There are lots of activities and titles that fall under both.  I think we all agree that a financial advisor advises on more than just investment issues.  However, while it is investment advice, I would characterize &quot;Helping clients with asset allocation decisions&quot; as being outside the scope of simply being an investment/asset/portfolio manager.  Those decisions are often based on factors outside of the investment portfolio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing worth noting is that the successful investment managers that you mentioned: Buffett and Swenson, those guys are truly &#8220;active&#8221; investors in that they don&#8217;t just invest capital; they actually get involved in the operations of many of their investment assets.  This is why they&#8217;re to busy to also be advisers to individuals.</p>
<p>On the semantics of title, there is no universal definition of &#8220;financial adviser.&#8221;  It&#8217;s like &#8220;healthcare provider.&#8221;  There are lots of activities and titles that fall under both.  I think we all agree that a financial advisor advises on more than just investment issues.  However, while it is investment advice, I would characterize &#8220;Helping clients with asset allocation decisions&#8221; as being outside the scope of simply being an investment/asset/portfolio manager.  Those decisions are often based on factors outside of the investment portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Blankenship, CFP®, EA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mike - however, as @Welath Pilgrim alludes, what you&#039;re describing might be better described as a money manager or perhaps an investment advisor, although those activities would be a subset of a financial advisor&#039;s duties.

I think to round out your list of things a good financial advisor does, you&#039;d need to include things such as: help navigating the landscape of tax laws, understanding risk and risk avoidance tactics, laying out a long-term view to reach your goals - a much more comprehensive point of view, in other words. Investing (choosing an allocation, etc.) is only a part of the picture.  Discouraging speculative activities and education are also part and parcel of the financial advisor&#039;s duties.

Thanks again for a thought-provoking post...
jb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mike &#8211; however, as @Welath Pilgrim alludes, what you&#8217;re describing might be better described as a money manager or perhaps an investment advisor, although those activities would be a subset of a financial advisor&#8217;s duties.</p>
<p>I think to round out your list of things a good financial advisor does, you&#8217;d need to include things such as: help navigating the landscape of tax laws, understanding risk and risk avoidance tactics, laying out a long-term view to reach your goals &#8211; a much more comprehensive point of view, in other words. Investing (choosing an allocation, etc.) is only a part of the picture.  Discouraging speculative activities and education are also part and parcel of the financial advisor&#8217;s duties.</p>
<p>Thanks again for a thought-provoking post&#8230;<br />
jb</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal/Wealth Pilgrim: Yep. That&#039;s pretty much my point. The person who is sitting down with you helping you determine a way to reach your goals is busy enough with that responsibility.

Any advisor who also makes himself out to be a money manager/stock picker/fund picker/market timer is probably overconfident in his ability to do so successfully while managing all the client-related tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal/Wealth Pilgrim: Yep. That&#8217;s pretty much my point. The person who is sitting down with you helping you determine a way to reach your goals is busy enough with that responsibility.</p>
<p>Any advisor who also makes himself out to be a money manager/stock picker/fund picker/market timer is probably overconfident in his ability to do so successfully while managing all the client-related tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: Welath Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welath Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great spotlight.  

However, my experience tells me that there is a huge difference between a money manager and a financial adviser.  The money manager only deals with investments.  A financial adviser helps clients navigate to reach financial goals.  Investments are only a part of that in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great spotlight.  </p>
<p>However, my experience tells me that there is a huge difference between a money manager and a financial adviser.  The money manager only deals with investments.  A financial adviser helps clients navigate to reach financial goals.  Investments are only a part of that in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan: Agreed, keeping costs reasonable is essential.

Dave: I&#039;ve actually got that post included already in my roundup for tomorrow. It makes an important point. :)

Rob &amp; Jermaine: Absolutely. Going to a financial advisor without having any background information whatsoever is very likely to result in poor advice and/or being sold a front-loaded portfolio of high cost funds. Always good to have a little knowledge before going to meet with any expert (whether financial advisor or car mechanic).

NC: I once had a &quot;financial advisor&quot; try to sell me whole life insurance before I was even out of college. I tried explaining that I had no fixed expenses and nobody at all relying upon me for income, so I didn&#039;t see the need. He didn&#039;t seem to understand. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan: Agreed, keeping costs reasonable is essential.</p>
<p>Dave: I&#8217;ve actually got that post included already in my roundup for tomorrow. It makes an important point. <img src='http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rob &#038; Jermaine: Absolutely. Going to a financial advisor without having any background information whatsoever is very likely to result in poor advice and/or being sold a front-loaded portfolio of high cost funds. Always good to have a little knowledge before going to meet with any expert (whether financial advisor or car mechanic).</p>
<p>NC: I once had a &#8220;financial advisor&#8221; try to sell me whole life insurance before I was even out of college. I tried explaining that I had no fixed expenses and nobody at all relying upon me for income, so I didn&#8217;t see the need. He didn&#8217;t seem to understand. <img src='http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jermaine Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermaine Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, before choosing an adviser a person must know something about investing. If they don&#039;t, then stick with a savings account or an index fund. Second, have goals. Need money for retirement? Want to go risky with your extra money? Saving for child&#039;s college fund? Third, check up on your adviser. Research, research, research! Fourth, if your adviser only knows how to lose money or doesn&#039;t want to talk to you then get a new adviser, DIY, or get out the market! EDUCATION IS KEY!!! I might do a post myself on increasing financial literacy....hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, before choosing an adviser a person must know something about investing. If they don&#8217;t, then stick with a savings account or an index fund. Second, have goals. Need money for retirement? Want to go risky with your extra money? Saving for child&#8217;s college fund? Third, check up on your adviser. Research, research, research! Fourth, if your adviser only knows how to lose money or doesn&#8217;t want to talk to you then get a new adviser, DIY, or get out the market! EDUCATION IS KEY!!! I might do a post myself on increasing financial literacy&#8230;.hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I touched on this in my last blog post. I had some problems resulting from my misguided expectations about what my &quot;financial adviser&quot; was going to be doing with my accounts. It turns out I had a salesman, and not really an adviser, but that distinction was primarily the product of my own ignorance at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I touched on this in my last blog post. I had some problems resulting from my misguided expectations about what my &#8220;financial adviser&#8221; was going to be doing with my accounts. It turns out I had a salesman, and not really an adviser, but that distinction was primarily the product of my own ignorance at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble is that many turn to a financial advisor for the wrong reasons.

People are intimidated by investing and they turn to advisors to buck up their confidence. But confidence can only come from inside. The average person does not need to be an expert on all aspects of investing. But he must be confident that he understands the fundamentals.

If you don&#039;t possess confidence in your understanding of the fundamentals, I think that talking to an advisor may even be dangerous. The temptation is always there for the advisor to try to sell you something and the advisor knows the emotional hot buttons that need to be pushed for him to be successful doing so.

People really do need reassurance, though.  I think that&#039;s why many go to advisors.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is that many turn to a financial advisor for the wrong reasons.</p>
<p>People are intimidated by investing and they turn to advisors to buck up their confidence. But confidence can only come from inside. The average person does not need to be an expert on all aspects of investing. But he must be confident that he understands the fundamentals.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t possess confidence in your understanding of the fundamentals, I think that talking to an advisor may even be dangerous. The temptation is always there for the advisor to try to sell you something and the advisor knows the emotional hot buttons that need to be pushed for him to be successful doing so.</p>
<p>People really do need reassurance, though.  I think that&#8217;s why many go to advisors.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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