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		<title>By: Evolution of Wealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolution of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building off what Dylan and Monevator said, people get caught up in returns and loose track of their real goals.  Is your goal to get a certain return?  Or to have your assets perform at a certain comparability to the market?  Mine aren&#039;t.  I don&#039;t want my future or the future of my loved ones to depend on whether I get a 9% return vs a 7% return.  That should not be detrimental to me.  I want everything to be okay whether things work or not.  Is that too much to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building off what Dylan and Monevator said, people get caught up in returns and loose track of their real goals.  Is your goal to get a certain return?  Or to have your assets perform at a certain comparability to the market?  Mine aren&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t want my future or the future of my loved ones to depend on whether I get a 9% return vs a 7% return.  That should not be detrimental to me.  I want everything to be okay whether things work or not.  Is that too much to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan makes a good point -- for most people who aren&#039;t paid to beat the market, beating the market is *not* the aim.

In fact, not even matching the market is the aim. Long-term comfort (in retirement) and short-term comfort (being able to cope with whatever volatility their capital exhibits) is the aim.

It&#039;s what makes things like the Permanent Portfolio such a good idea. Almost certainly lousy versus excess stocks over even the medium term, but probably great for most people&#039;s needs, if set up cheaply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan makes a good point &#8212; for most people who aren&#8217;t paid to beat the market, beating the market is *not* the aim.</p>
<p>In fact, not even matching the market is the aim. Long-term comfort (in retirement) and short-term comfort (being able to cope with whatever volatility their capital exhibits) is the aim.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what makes things like the Permanent Portfolio such a good idea. Almost certainly lousy versus excess stocks over even the medium term, but probably great for most people&#8217;s needs, if set up cheaply.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one more question I like to ask when considering an investment strategy:

&lt;i&gt;What happens if it doesn&#039;t work?&lt;/i&gt;

The consequences of of an investment strategy that doesn&#039;t work is a financial setback.  Then you have to make up for it, usually by saving more and/or saving for a longer period of time. Alternatively, it might mean cutting back goals or having to alter your plans.

When figuring out how much we have to save, for how long, and how much we&#039;ll have to spend in the future, we already have to deal with the uncertainty of what the markets will do.  Trying to beat the markets just adds another layer of uncertainty; whatever the market does, you now don&#039;t know whether or when you&#039;ll do better or worse or by how much.

In the grand scheme of things, sharing in the market&#039;s performance less the cost of low cost index funds, should leave us well served (at the very least, serve us better than trying and failing to do best them).  And, as far as making plans and setting savings goals, does it really make sense to &lt;i&gt;plan&lt;/i&gt; to beat the markets and be the exception to the rule?  (This may be the 5th question to ask.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one more question I like to ask when considering an investment strategy:</p>
<p><i>What happens if it doesn&#8217;t work?</i></p>
<p>The consequences of of an investment strategy that doesn&#8217;t work is a financial setback.  Then you have to make up for it, usually by saving more and/or saving for a longer period of time. Alternatively, it might mean cutting back goals or having to alter your plans.</p>
<p>When figuring out how much we have to save, for how long, and how much we&#8217;ll have to spend in the future, we already have to deal with the uncertainty of what the markets will do.  Trying to beat the markets just adds another layer of uncertainty; whatever the market does, you now don&#8217;t know whether or when you&#8217;ll do better or worse or by how much.</p>
<p>In the grand scheme of things, sharing in the market&#8217;s performance less the cost of low cost index funds, should leave us well served (at the very least, serve us better than trying and failing to do best them).  And, as far as making plans and setting savings goals, does it really make sense to <i>plan</i> to beat the markets and be the exception to the rule?  (This may be the 5th question to ask.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with your conclusion that buy-and-hold is the way to go, Mike, but I think your three tests are perfect. 

A strategy must make sense; if not, data means nothing. That said, having the data support you is a big plus. The benefit here is that data is objective while your own thought processes are subjective. You need to get outside yourself and looking at the historical record permits you to do that. And, yes, you need to think through whether the strategy is going to continue to work or is just some gimmicky thing that happens to backtest well for a time. That third test is a check on the validity of the first two.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your conclusion that buy-and-hold is the way to go, Mike, but I think your three tests are perfect. </p>
<p>A strategy must make sense; if not, data means nothing. That said, having the data support you is a big plus. The benefit here is that data is objective while your own thought processes are subjective. You need to get outside yourself and looking at the historical record permits you to do that. And, yes, you need to think through whether the strategy is going to continue to work or is just some gimmicky thing that happens to backtest well for a time. That third test is a check on the validity of the first two.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams @ Provident Planning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams @ Provident Planning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, Mike.  What you&#039;ve really nailed is the question of whether the strategy will continue to work.  You&#039;re right that almost every &quot;strategy&quot; will fail if everyone starts using it.  I believe even Mr. Bennett&#039;s strategy would fail that test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Mike.  What you&#8217;ve really nailed is the question of whether the strategy will continue to work.  You&#8217;re right that almost every &#8220;strategy&#8221; will fail if everyone starts using it.  I believe even Mr. Bennett&#8217;s strategy would fail that test.</p>
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