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		<title>By: Aaron @ Clarifinancial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron @ Clarifinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I should have read this a long time ago. Thanks for putting it in the Carnival (right below an article about using whole life for retirement). So much good information here; I have officially bookmarked it. 

I have to say, I share your cynicism to a large degree. And it&#039;s my belief that we can create a better way that led me to start Clarifinancial. Is it perfect? No, it&#039;s still missing some functionality. But for most people, it beats the heck out of any other method of buying life insurance because it forces goal-focused objectivity where there might not otherwise be any and it takes the labor away from those who would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I should have read this a long time ago. Thanks for putting it in the Carnival (right below an article about using whole life for retirement). So much good information here; I have officially bookmarked it. </p>
<p>I have to say, I share your cynicism to a large degree. And it&#8217;s my belief that we can create a better way that led me to start Clarifinancial. Is it perfect? No, it&#8217;s still missing some functionality. But for most people, it beats the heck out of any other method of buying life insurance because it forces goal-focused objectivity where there might not otherwise be any and it takes the labor away from those who would.</p>
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		<title>By: DFA Advisor</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFA Advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

I followed with great interest your &quot;conversation&quot; with John.

Your experience with Merrill Lynch is not at all unique. In fact I wrote &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mzcap.com/high-net-worth.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pity the High Net Worth&lt;/a&gt;&quot; based on the real story of a Merrill victim.

As to you question &quot;why should I pay 1% ...&quot;, you should not if you read Mike&#039;s book, follow Bogleheads forum and use Vanguard mutual funds. Like John, i am a fee-only advisor. I found I add the most value to those who neither have the time or the interest to do what you are doing. I belief the value I add justify what i charge ...

1. I keep them away from Merrill Lynch and the likes.
2. I help them become a better investors.
3. I make sure other aspects of their financial life are taken care of.

Lastly, I can second John&#039;s recommendation of the Garrett Planning Network. Planners in the network are hourly fee only. I also know a couple planners in the network, all upright people. 

Michael Zhuang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>I followed with great interest your &#8220;conversation&#8221; with John.</p>
<p>Your experience with Merrill Lynch is not at all unique. In fact I wrote &#8220;<a href="http://www.mzcap.com/high-net-worth.htm" rel="nofollow">Pity the High Net Worth</a>&#8221; based on the real story of a Merrill victim.</p>
<p>As to you question &#8220;why should I pay 1% &#8230;&#8221;, you should not if you read Mike&#8217;s book, follow Bogleheads forum and use Vanguard mutual funds. Like John, i am a fee-only advisor. I found I add the most value to those who neither have the time or the interest to do what you are doing. I belief the value I add justify what i charge &#8230;</p>
<p>1. I keep them away from Merrill Lynch and the likes.<br />
2. I help them become a better investors.<br />
3. I make sure other aspects of their financial life are taken care of.</p>
<p>Lastly, I can second John&#8217;s recommendation of the Garrett Planning Network. Planners in the network are hourly fee only. I also know a couple planners in the network, all upright people. </p>
<p>Michael Zhuang</p>
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		<title>By: DFA Advisor</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/spreading-misinformation/comment-page-1/#comment-4447</link>
		<dc:creator>DFA Advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I&#039;ve found Steve doesn&#039;t necessarily share our belief in passive investing, but he is very well read. It is nice to follow what he reads.

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found Steve doesn&#8217;t necessarily share our belief in passive investing, but he is very well read. It is nice to follow what he reads.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: I&#039;ve been reading Larry&#039;s blog for some time now. I hadn&#039;t come across Steve LeCompte&#039;s yet though. Thanks for sharing it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: I&#8217;ve been reading Larry&#8217;s blog for some time now. I hadn&#8217;t come across Steve LeCompte&#8217;s yet though. Thanks for sharing it. <img src='http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DFA Advisor</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/spreading-misinformation/comment-page-1/#comment-4443</link>
		<dc:creator>DFA Advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I happen to enjoy reading academic papers. I try to disseminate some of those information in my blogs: http://www.investment-fiduciary.com

Other than you, I&#039;ve found several other bloggers who keep a close eye on academic research as well, like Larry Swedroe  and Steve LeCompte.

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/investing/blog/wise-investing/
http://cxoadvisory.com/blog/

Michael Zhuang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I happen to enjoy reading academic papers. I try to disseminate some of those information in my blogs: <a href="http://www.investment-fiduciary.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.investment-fiduciary.com</a></p>
<p>Other than you, I&#8217;ve found several other bloggers who keep a close eye on academic research as well, like Larry Swedroe  and Steve LeCompte.</p>
<p><a href="http://moneywatch.bnet.com/investing/blog/wise-investing/" rel="nofollow">http://moneywatch.bnet.com/investing/blog/wise-investing/</a><br />
<a href="http://cxoadvisory.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://cxoadvisory.com/blog/</a></p>
<p>Michael Zhuang</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much, John. I will consider this strongly as I get a bit closer to retirement age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much, John. I will consider this strongly as I get a bit closer to retirement age.</p>
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		<title>By: John D. Buerger, CFP®</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D. Buerger, CFP®</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a suggestion, Larry ... if you are willing to pay for a second opinion on your efforts (which I believe is a good idea - I bounce my investment and financial planning concepts off on other planners all the time), go to the web and look up Garrett Planning Network.  There is likely to be a Garrett planner operating in your area.  They should be &quot;fee only.&quot;  Their rates are reasonable.  They usually aren&#039;t limited to high-net-worth clients and many are CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER professionals.  Lastly, ask for and examine their advisor agreement and their written code of ethics.  Make sure the fiduciary standard is in writing.

Disclosure - I am not a member of the Garrett Planning Network, but I&#039;ve met many of them in my work with the Financial Planning Association.  They mostly have their hearts in the right place and while most don&#039;t have my behavioral finance background, they are more than qualified to render an honest opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion, Larry &#8230; if you are willing to pay for a second opinion on your efforts (which I believe is a good idea &#8211; I bounce my investment and financial planning concepts off on other planners all the time), go to the web and look up Garrett Planning Network.  There is likely to be a Garrett planner operating in your area.  They should be &#8220;fee only.&#8221;  Their rates are reasonable.  They usually aren&#8217;t limited to high-net-worth clients and many are CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER professionals.  Lastly, ask for and examine their advisor agreement and their written code of ethics.  Make sure the fiduciary standard is in writing.</p>
<p>Disclosure &#8211; I am not a member of the Garrett Planning Network, but I&#8217;ve met many of them in my work with the Financial Planning Association.  They mostly have their hearts in the right place and while most don&#8217;t have my behavioral finance background, they are more than qualified to render an honest opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you seem to be a stand-up guy and I see from your site that you charge about $300 for a consultation, which sounds reasonable. However you are on the West Coast and I am in NY. I would prefer a face-to-face meeting with someone if they are to comment on my total financial picture. Possibly such a meeting would be of help, but unless I can find someone truly expert, reasonably priced, and responsible on Long Island, I&#039;m not likely to plunk down any cash just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you seem to be a stand-up guy and I see from your site that you charge about $300 for a consultation, which sounds reasonable. However you are on the West Coast and I am in NY. I would prefer a face-to-face meeting with someone if they are to comment on my total financial picture. Possibly such a meeting would be of help, but unless I can find someone truly expert, reasonably priced, and responsible on Long Island, I&#8217;m not likely to plunk down any cash just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: John D. Buerger, CFP®</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D. Buerger, CFP®</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry - Sad but true, your experiences are not out of the ordinary ... but they were not at the hands of a fiduciary advisor or even a financial planner.  There is a serious distinction between the folks you mention (who were nothing but financial salespeople disguised as financial advisors) and true professionals who operate under a written code of ethics and a fiduciary standard.

What is saddest to me is that it is almost impossible for the average person to tell the difference.  The big name, well known firms (who all operate like you experienced) spend big bucks to make you feel that they are trustworthy ... but don&#039;t you dare take their word for it.  It is pure advertising hype.

If you use a financial advisor - and with a good one you can do better than you can on your own - make certain they adhere to the fiduciary standard and it is in writing.  And as Russ says, &quot;understand and be comfortable with [their self interests] and the motivations associated with it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8211; Sad but true, your experiences are not out of the ordinary &#8230; but they were not at the hands of a fiduciary advisor or even a financial planner.  There is a serious distinction between the folks you mention (who were nothing but financial salespeople disguised as financial advisors) and true professionals who operate under a written code of ethics and a fiduciary standard.</p>
<p>What is saddest to me is that it is almost impossible for the average person to tell the difference.  The big name, well known firms (who all operate like you experienced) spend big bucks to make you feel that they are trustworthy &#8230; but don&#8217;t you dare take their word for it.  It is pure advertising hype.</p>
<p>If you use a financial advisor &#8211; and with a good one you can do better than you can on your own &#8211; make certain they adhere to the fiduciary standard and it is in writing.  And as Russ says, &#8220;understand and be comfortable with [their self interests] and the motivations associated with it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know John Buerger either. Could be he&#039;s competent and on the level. But I do know that for the 20 years I was with Merrill Lynch before I discovered Vanguard, I was given bad advice and treated fraudulently. Fraud? Well, not a biggie perhaps, but my first Account Exec. at ML was fired because she forged signatures of numerous clients (myself included) to pretend she had signed them up for check-cashing accounts that would give her points for vacations. The next guy I was with put me almost entirely into high-load growth funds that eventually lost big time in the dot.com bust. What did I know, I thought these guys were professionals. Each time I called to ask for an account review I was told everything was fine, no need to make changes. There&#039;s no doubt in my mind that I&#039;d have twice the investments I have today had I know about Vanguard sooner. So if I sound contemptuous towards the financial planning industry, that&#039;s because I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know John Buerger either. Could be he&#8217;s competent and on the level. But I do know that for the 20 years I was with Merrill Lynch before I discovered Vanguard, I was given bad advice and treated fraudulently. Fraud? Well, not a biggie perhaps, but my first Account Exec. at ML was fired because she forged signatures of numerous clients (myself included) to pretend she had signed them up for check-cashing accounts that would give her points for vacations. The next guy I was with put me almost entirely into high-load growth funds that eventually lost big time in the dot.com bust. What did I know, I thought these guys were professionals. Each time I called to ask for an account review I was told everything was fine, no need to make changes. There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that I&#8217;d have twice the investments I have today had I know about Vanguard sooner. So if I sound contemptuous towards the financial planning industry, that&#8217;s because I am.</p>
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