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		<title>By: Evolution Of Wealth</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/investing-in-a-taxable-account/comment-page-1/#comment-4479</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolution Of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t probably funded cash value life insurance be brought into this conversation?  Tax deferred growth with tax free withdrawals plus having a death benefit that when set up properly passes to your heirs directly and tax free.  The biggest thing I could stress is properly funded as I see so many people make the mistakes in the design of the policies and the way in which they are funded.  It&#039;s too bad that most insurance people are the ones screwing this up for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t probably funded cash value life insurance be brought into this conversation?  Tax deferred growth with tax free withdrawals plus having a death benefit that when set up properly passes to your heirs directly and tax free.  The biggest thing I could stress is properly funded as I see so many people make the mistakes in the design of the policies and the way in which they are funded.  It&#8217;s too bad that most insurance people are the ones screwing this up for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: DFA Advisor</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFA Advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

At risk of sounding self-serving since I am a DFA-approved advisor, I&#039;d like to discuss DFA&#039;s core fund idea.

Let me use this as an example, an investor allocates some money to a  small cap fund, some to a large cap funds. When a stock graduate from small cap to large cap, the investor still own the same stock but it is sold by the small cap fund and bought by the large cap fund, thereby triggering capital gain taxes.  

Now if an investor has 9 funds (corresponding to Moringstar style boxes,) migrations of stocks would trigger many unnecessary capital gain taxes and transaction costs on the fund level. That&#039;s where the core fund comes in.  It covers all capitalization and styles, so the aforementioned capital gain tax event would not happen.

Michael Zhuang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>At risk of sounding self-serving since I am a DFA-approved advisor, I&#8217;d like to discuss DFA&#8217;s core fund idea.</p>
<p>Let me use this as an example, an investor allocates some money to a  small cap fund, some to a large cap funds. When a stock graduate from small cap to large cap, the investor still own the same stock but it is sold by the small cap fund and bought by the large cap fund, thereby triggering capital gain taxes.  </p>
<p>Now if an investor has 9 funds (corresponding to Moringstar style boxes,) migrations of stocks would trigger many unnecessary capital gain taxes and transaction costs on the fund level. That&#8217;s where the core fund comes in.  It covers all capitalization and styles, so the aforementioned capital gain tax event would not happen.</p>
<p>Michael Zhuang</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tyler. Thanks for adding your thoughts.

As much I&#039;m not a fan of trying to pick stocks to beat the market, there&#039;s no debating that buying and holding a diversified portfolio of individual stocks can be an extremely low-cost, tax-efficient way to invest. The trick is the &quot;diversified portfolio&quot; bit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tyler. Thanks for adding your thoughts.</p>
<p>As much I&#8217;m not a fan of trying to pick stocks to beat the market, there&#8217;s no debating that buying and holding a diversified portfolio of individual stocks can be an extremely low-cost, tax-efficient way to invest. The trick is the &#8220;diversified portfolio&#8221; bit!</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler WebCPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler WebCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, great post and great comments.  Some investors get so obsessed by the tax nature of investments that they let the tax tail wag the profit dog.  As Paul points out, after-tax return on investment is what we are after, not avoiding taxes and some investments are specifically designed for investors in high tax brackets.  Another strategy could be to just buy individual stocks and hold them.  If you are not actively trading and keep most of your investments for a year you can significantly reduce your tax burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, great post and great comments.  Some investors get so obsessed by the tax nature of investments that they let the tax tail wag the profit dog.  As Paul points out, after-tax return on investment is what we are after, not avoiding taxes and some investments are specifically designed for investors in high tax brackets.  Another strategy could be to just buy individual stocks and hold them.  If you are not actively trading and keep most of your investments for a year you can significantly reduce your tax burden.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul: You&#039;re quite right to point out the credit risk differences between muni bond funds, total bond market funds, and Treasury bond funds.

I don&#039;t have any special insight on the matter though. I can&#039;t think of anything that would be more reliable than historical default rate data. It would seem reasonable to expect higher municipal default rates in the next few years due to all the budget crises occurring across the country. That said, your guess is as good as mine as to how much higher default rates will be.

RR: Thanks for the article suggestion. And I agree: The commenters around here do tend to have some excellent insights. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: You&#8217;re quite right to point out the credit risk differences between muni bond funds, total bond market funds, and Treasury bond funds.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any special insight on the matter though. I can&#8217;t think of anything that would be more reliable than historical default rate data. It would seem reasonable to expect higher municipal default rates in the next few years due to all the budget crises occurring across the country. That said, your guess is as good as mine as to how much higher default rates will be.</p>
<p>RR: Thanks for the article suggestion. And I agree: The commenters around here do tend to have some excellent insights. <img src='http://d15f3663zqp4d2.cloudfront.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Regular Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regular Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked the question that prompted this post.

It astounds me that I can ask a question like this and get this professional level and quality of analysis and information in just a couple days&#039; time--FOR FREE!!!

And the comments are often as good as the original content. Amazing.

Thanks Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked the question that prompted this post.</p>
<p>It astounds me that I can ask a question like this and get this professional level and quality of analysis and information in just a couple days&#8217; time&#8211;FOR FREE!!!</p>
<p>And the comments are often as good as the original content. Amazing.</p>
<p>Thanks Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as tax-free bonds go, I&#039;ve found that they&#039;re usually only advantageous if you are in the top tax brackets (which excludes most of us).  Now of course that&#039;s not always true, you should check it for your own situation.  But in general, you&#039;ll end up with a higher return (even after taxes) if you use taxable bonds.

Another thing to compare would be the relative safety of municipal bonds versus Treasury or a mix of gov&#039;t/credit (corporate?) bonds.  This might be a bigger factor going forward if states start to have more budget problems.  Or maybe it won&#039;t - what are your thoughts, Mike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as tax-free bonds go, I&#8217;ve found that they&#8217;re usually only advantageous if you are in the top tax brackets (which excludes most of us).  Now of course that&#8217;s not always true, you should check it for your own situation.  But in general, you&#8217;ll end up with a higher return (even after taxes) if you use taxable bonds.</p>
<p>Another thing to compare would be the relative safety of municipal bonds versus Treasury or a mix of gov&#8217;t/credit (corporate?) bonds.  This might be a bigger factor going forward if states start to have more budget problems.  Or maybe it won&#8217;t &#8211; what are your thoughts, Mike?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin: Agreed. Having access to liquid funds is essential. (It&#039;s worth noting, however, that withdrawals from a Roth IRA are tax and penalty free up until the point where they exceed your lifetime contributions.)

Steve: Honestly, that surprised me as well. Your question spurred me to check Morningstar&#039;s data against Vanguard&#039;s data. Vanguard&#039;s info is much closer to what I would have expected:

VB&#039;s 5-year after-tax returns are 0.37% lower than before-tax.
NAESX&#039;s 5-year after-tax returns are 0.34% lower than before-tax.

Interestingly, according to Vanguard, the 5-year after-tax returns of VTMSX are 0.22% less than the 5-year before-tax returns.

The end result is that the difference in tax-cost ratios between NAESX and VTMSX is 0.12% whether we use Vanguard&#039;s data or Morningstar&#039;s. VB, however, looks a great deal better when we use Vanguard&#039;s data.

I wonder if any other readers can provide information as to the reason for the discrepancies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: Agreed. Having access to liquid funds is essential. (It&#8217;s worth noting, however, that withdrawals from a Roth IRA are tax and penalty free up until the point where they exceed your lifetime contributions.)</p>
<p>Steve: Honestly, that surprised me as well. Your question spurred me to check Morningstar&#8217;s data against Vanguard&#8217;s data. Vanguard&#8217;s info is much closer to what I would have expected:</p>
<p>VB&#8217;s 5-year after-tax returns are 0.37% lower than before-tax.<br />
NAESX&#8217;s 5-year after-tax returns are 0.34% lower than before-tax.</p>
<p>Interestingly, according to Vanguard, the 5-year after-tax returns of VTMSX are 0.22% less than the 5-year before-tax returns.</p>
<p>The end result is that the difference in tax-cost ratios between NAESX and VTMSX is 0.12% whether we use Vanguard&#8217;s data or Morningstar&#8217;s. VB, however, looks a great deal better when we use Vanguard&#8217;s data.</p>
<p>I wonder if any other readers can provide information as to the reason for the discrepancies.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused about tax cost ratio. Why are NAESX and VB so far apart?  Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about tax cost ratio. Why are NAESX and VB so far apart?  Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike!  It&#039;s good to see someone actually talking about what to do with non-retirement money.  There&#039;s such an emphasis on tax avoidance that anything outside a retirement account is viewed as a mistake in some quarters.  

I don&#039;t profess to be an investment guy, but it seems that there&#039;s some necessity for holding at least some investments outside a retirement portfolio.  Even though investments may grow more freely in a tax sheltered account, accessing those funds comes with stiff costs.  

You never know when you might need to get your hands on your money, and if most or all of it is tied up in tax sheltered plans things can get messy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike!  It&#8217;s good to see someone actually talking about what to do with non-retirement money.  There&#8217;s such an emphasis on tax avoidance that anything outside a retirement account is viewed as a mistake in some quarters.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t profess to be an investment guy, but it seems that there&#8217;s some necessity for holding at least some investments outside a retirement portfolio.  Even though investments may grow more freely in a tax sheltered account, accessing those funds comes with stiff costs.  </p>
<p>You never know when you might need to get your hands on your money, and if most or all of it is tied up in tax sheltered plans things can get messy.</p>
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