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	<title>Comments on: Imputed Rent: Calculating Return on Home Purchases</title>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/imputed-rent-calculating-return-on-home-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes, the trouble with that equation is G, the expected rate of change in home value.

How long is a piece of string comes to mind. G will be all over the place, and also presumably most market participants are doing something similar to Bernstein&#039;s equation in their heads, roughly, so there&#039;s an element of feedback involved.

The Economist did a lot of work on rent and house prices throughout the decade; the called the bubble but way too early (as did I) and they expected a far greater correction in prices based on rents (as did I).

Bitter, moi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, the trouble with that equation is G, the expected rate of change in home value.</p>
<p>How long is a piece of string comes to mind. G will be all over the place, and also presumably most market participants are doing something similar to Bernstein&#8217;s equation in their heads, roughly, so there&#8217;s an element of feedback involved.</p>
<p>The Economist did a lot of work on rent and house prices throughout the decade; the called the bubble but way too early (as did I) and they expected a far greater correction in prices based on rents (as did I).</p>
<p>Bitter, moi?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TFB: Very good point about making sure to use your &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; rent when calculating the costs of continuing to rent vs. buying a home. Thanks for mentioning that. :)

Matt: The more leveraged the investment (i.e., the greater percentage of it you fund with borrowed money) the more the returns will be magnified.

If your (non-leveraged) return is greater than the rate at which you&#039;re borrowing, more leverage = better returns.

If your (non-leveraged) return is less than the rate at which you&#039;re borrowing, more leverage = worse returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TFB: Very good point about making sure to use your <i>current</i> rent when calculating the costs of continuing to rent vs. buying a home. Thanks for mentioning that. <img src='http://d15f3663zqp4d2.cloudfront.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Matt: The more leveraged the investment (i.e., the greater percentage of it you fund with borrowed money) the more the returns will be magnified.</p>
<p>If your (non-leveraged) return is greater than the rate at which you&#8217;re borrowing, more leverage = better returns.</p>
<p>If your (non-leveraged) return is less than the rate at which you&#8217;re borrowing, more leverage = worse returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With little expertise in this area, but keen interest, I&#039;m wondering how the % of equity factors in here, if at all. For example, if the mortgage is for 60% of the house price vs. 90%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With little expertise in this area, but keen interest, I&#8217;m wondering how the % of equity factors in here, if at all. For example, if the mortgage is for 60% of the house price vs. 90%.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very careful with the assumptions. In many markets the price to annual rent is 20-25 even today. So that 6.67% number becomes 4-5%. Also, you have to use the rent which you otherwise are going to pay if you don&#039;t buy a home, not what the home would rent for. People usually buy a larger or nicer place than what they would rent. If your alternative to buying a home is to stay in the current rental, you should use that rent as the rent savings number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very careful with the assumptions. In many markets the price to annual rent is 20-25 even today. So that 6.67% number becomes 4-5%. Also, you have to use the rent which you otherwise are going to pay if you don&#8217;t buy a home, not what the home would rent for. People usually buy a larger or nicer place than what they would rent. If your alternative to buying a home is to stay in the current rental, you should use that rent as the rent savings number.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick:

Good point. The calculation is simply:
Inflation-Adjusted Interest Rate = After-Tax Interest Rate - Rate of Inflation

It&#039;s a bit of a guess though, as there&#039;s no way to know what rate of inflation we&#039;ll see in the future.

That said, we&#039;ve already built an inflation assumption into the expected return calculation when we estimate future inflation-adjusted increases in home values, so just make sure you use the same inflation assumption in each part of the calculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick:</p>
<p>Good point. The calculation is simply:<br />
Inflation-Adjusted Interest Rate = After-Tax Interest Rate &#8211; Rate of Inflation</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit of a guess though, as there&#8217;s no way to know what rate of inflation we&#8217;ll see in the future.</p>
<p>That said, we&#8217;ve already built an inflation assumption into the expected return calculation when we estimate future inflation-adjusted increases in home values, so just make sure you use the same inflation assumption in each part of the calculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

The one thing I would add is an example of how to calculate the after-inflation interest rate given a fixed mortgage rate.

-Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>The one thing I would add is an example of how to calculate the after-inflation interest rate given a fixed mortgage rate.</p>
<p>-Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams @ Provident Planning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams @ Provident Planning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great example of why you can&#039;t &lt;em&gt;assume&lt;/em&gt; that&#039;s it&#039;s always a good idea to buy instead of rent.  Good job, Mike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great example of why you can&#8217;t <em>assume</em> that&#8217;s it&#8217;s always a good idea to buy instead of rent.  Good job, Mike!</p>
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