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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/how-brokers-aka-financial-advisors-get-paid/comment-page-1/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, you&#039;re absolutely right, Hank. Making the correction now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, you&#8217;re absolutely right, Hank. Making the correction now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12b-1 fees are an extra fee charged by some mutual funds designed to mainly cover promotional materials, marketing expenses, etc.  They are not always passed back to brokers in the form of commissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12b-1 fees are an extra fee charged by some mutual funds designed to mainly cover promotional materials, marketing expenses, etc.  They are not always passed back to brokers in the form of commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: ctreit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctreit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broker/financial adviser fees are probably the major reason why most people&#039;s portfolio underperforms. In addition to your great advice, I would also say that people should ask financial advisers about total fees  paid, the amount the adviser gets, and they should get the answer in writing. Clients have a right to get this information and an honest adviser will not hold back that information anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broker/financial adviser fees are probably the major reason why most people&#8217;s portfolio underperforms. In addition to your great advice, I would also say that people should ask financial advisers about total fees  paid, the amount the adviser gets, and they should get the answer in writing. Clients have a right to get this information and an honest adviser will not hold back that information anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

I actually thought you were very fair considering the subject is filled with heated arguments either way.  I think the problem with financial gurus, or even amatuer bloggers, is that they forget some people just have no interest in learning about &quot;this world.&quot; 

It is an often used analogy but could I save a ton of cash if I did my auto repairs, yes, but there is zero chance of that.  So I hire an expert, maybe he gets paid hourly (then why would he want to rush the job? this would be akin to the mutual fund expenses) or maybe he gets paid by the job (i.e. just like the fees).

Regardless, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I actually thought you were very fair considering the subject is filled with heated arguments either way.  I think the problem with financial gurus, or even amatuer bloggers, is that they forget some people just have no interest in learning about &#8220;this world.&#8221; </p>
<p>It is an often used analogy but could I save a ton of cash if I did my auto repairs, yes, but there is zero chance of that.  So I hire an expert, maybe he gets paid hourly (then why would he want to rush the job? this would be akin to the mutual fund expenses) or maybe he gets paid by the job (i.e. just like the fees).</p>
<p>Regardless, great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/how-brokers-aka-financial-advisors-get-paid/comment-page-1/#comment-1492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. Not bitter at all actually. In fact I maintain contact with multiple brokers from the firm where I used to work. They&#039;re good people working to help investors succeed.

My only point is that before you can decide whether or not to use a given advisor, or whether or not to take their advice, you absolutely &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; know all of the different ways he or she is being paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Not bitter at all actually. In fact I maintain contact with multiple brokers from the firm where I used to work. They&#8217;re good people working to help investors succeed.</p>
<p>My only point is that before you can decide whether or not to use a given advisor, or whether or not to take their advice, you absolutely <i>must</i> know all of the different ways he or she is being paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Bitter much?  

Seriously, don&#039;t you even make room for the idea that there are folks out there who really want to do what&#039;s best for their clients and thus build a business based on trust and respect?  What about those who choose to offer a choice of commission based investments to young couples just starting out and only contributing 50 or 100 dollars per month - thus saving them money over an advisory account?  

What about brokers who are driven to find the best deal for their clients because they believe they&#039;ll only stay in business if they can consistently prove they&#039;re doing more than the next guy?  Or fee-based advisors who don&#039;t bother doing any research at all because they&#039;ll get paid in any case?

Sure there are some criminals out there who put on the nametag &quot;advisor&quot; every day, but I believe there are dozens or even hundreds of good and responsible financial professionals for every greedy bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Bitter much?  </p>
<p>Seriously, don&#8217;t you even make room for the idea that there are folks out there who really want to do what&#8217;s best for their clients and thus build a business based on trust and respect?  What about those who choose to offer a choice of commission based investments to young couples just starting out and only contributing 50 or 100 dollars per month &#8211; thus saving them money over an advisory account?  </p>
<p>What about brokers who are driven to find the best deal for their clients because they believe they&#8217;ll only stay in business if they can consistently prove they&#8217;re doing more than the next guy?  Or fee-based advisors who don&#8217;t bother doing any research at all because they&#8217;ll get paid in any case?</p>
<p>Sure there are some criminals out there who put on the nametag &#8220;advisor&#8221; every day, but I believe there are dozens or even hundreds of good and responsible financial professionals for every greedy bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: I&#039;d agree as to fees vs. commission. Not because fees are cheaper necessarily, but because they provide for a greater degree of transparency.

And you&#039;re absolutely right about bonds: Most investors have no idea that a pretty juicy commission comes with a bond sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I&#8217;d agree as to fees vs. commission. Not because fees are cheaper necessarily, but because they provide for a greater degree of transparency.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re absolutely right about bonds: Most investors have no idea that a pretty juicy commission comes with a bond sale.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Light</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested to learn (when I was just starting to write about investing) the way bond commissions work. Since the broker just makes his commission on the spread between his buying price and your buying price, you can&#039;t even really tell how much profit he&#039;s taking from you. Now, at least, people can look up recent bond sales to see other guys&#039; prices, but it seems like bond trading has lagged behind while stock commissions got lower.

Anyway, as far as the financial adviser issue goes, it seems like a lot of the commission problems are solved by going with someone who gets paid a fixed fee instead of a commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested to learn (when I was just starting to write about investing) the way bond commissions work. Since the broker just makes his commission on the spread between his buying price and your buying price, you can&#8217;t even really tell how much profit he&#8217;s taking from you. Now, at least, people can look up recent bond sales to see other guys&#8217; prices, but it seems like bond trading has lagged behind while stock commissions got lower.</p>
<p>Anyway, as far as the financial adviser issue goes, it seems like a lot of the commission problems are solved by going with someone who gets paid a fixed fee instead of a commission.</p>
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