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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alvin.

I&#039;d suggest getting a ground-level education in investing before making any dramatic changes to your portfolio. I&#039;d start with a book or two on the topic. Some of the ones I&#039;d recommend would include:

&lt;i&gt;The Bogleheads&#039; Guide to Investing&lt;/i&gt;,
&lt;i&gt;The Investor&#039;s Manifesto&lt;/i&gt;,
&lt;i&gt;The New Coffeehouse Investor&lt;/i&gt;,
or my latest, &lt;i&gt;Investing Made Simple&lt;/i&gt;.

They&#039;re each pretty easily readable while containing good information.

Hope that helps.
-Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alvin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest getting a ground-level education in investing before making any dramatic changes to your portfolio. I&#8217;d start with a book or two on the topic. Some of the ones I&#8217;d recommend would include:</p>
<p><i>The Bogleheads&#8217; Guide to Investing</i>,<br />
<i>The Investor&#8217;s Manifesto</i>,<br />
<i>The New Coffeehouse Investor</i>,<br />
or my latest, <i>Investing Made Simple</i>.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re each pretty easily readable while containing good information.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.<br />
-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin Landis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvin Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, &quot; what do you think &quot;
I am a 62 year old man who has lost his job. With a 7 th grade education. My reading, and computer skills are poor to say the least. Sitting here trying to learn, I must have a dictionary at hand, to even begin to understand.

Have been contributing to a conventional IRA since 1999, ( maximum amount ). In 2004, I confronted my broker, about the fact the only time my account grew was once a year when I funded it.

As the market plummet 2008, I was visiting with one of my brothers, ( who is educated &quot; DR. &quot; ) who thought I should manage my own account. Well to say the least I was not to sure about that. He advised that he had a contact that was in the business of managing other peoples money, and with his advise, he ( my brother ) had done very well for the past 8 years.
So here I am about 1 year later, and I to, have done well, but only due to his help.

I would like to get out from under his wing. Am wondering if there is anyone out there that can put in their 2 cents worth. I am completely open to ideas or advice, pro or con.

Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, &#8221; what do you think &#8221;<br />
I am a 62 year old man who has lost his job. With a 7 th grade education. My reading, and computer skills are poor to say the least. Sitting here trying to learn, I must have a dictionary at hand, to even begin to understand.</p>
<p>Have been contributing to a conventional IRA since 1999, ( maximum amount ). In 2004, I confronted my broker, about the fact the only time my account grew was once a year when I funded it.</p>
<p>As the market plummet 2008, I was visiting with one of my brothers, ( who is educated &#8221; DR. &#8221; ) who thought I should manage my own account. Well to say the least I was not to sure about that. He advised that he had a contact that was in the business of managing other peoples money, and with his advise, he ( my brother ) had done very well for the past 8 years.<br />
So here I am about 1 year later, and I to, have done well, but only due to his help.</p>
<p>I would like to get out from under his wing. Am wondering if there is anyone out there that can put in their 2 cents worth. I am completely open to ideas or advice, pro or con.</p>
<p>Al</p>
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		<title>By: T Singer</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My letter to Motley Fool:

Dear Misters Gardner:

I am writing to follow up on my decision to cancel my subscription to Stock Advisor, after cancelling Rule Breakers last year.

I thought it possible you might be interested in why, if this letter manages to not be weeded out by assistants because it is not complementary.

The proliferation of your newsletters has increased from one to how many now? Over 20 at least.

There is no way I am getting the best advice; you must spread the best stock picks out among all these products in ever-increasing divisions of categories. Yet, that is not what an investor needs or can benefit by; an investor wants the benefit of your insight and analysis to put together a reasonable portfolio, no matter what the category, and a limited number of stocks.

Furthermore, your incessant publication of memos for so many stocks, often with contrary messages, illustrates the confusion and lack of message.

For example, a recommendation of yours, Gamestop. You encouraged me to buy and hold repeatedly. Yet, I saw one letter that advised it may be time to dump Gamestop, published on Yahoo financial, on the day that earnings showed a 20% increase. This helped tumble the price. So, publicly you publish contrary advice to the public that you give the paying customers. When I posted a complaint to your company and on the forum, I heard no reply except one that stated you have so many people writing opinions that no one has control over the content. You abrogated your own advice.

You advise that it is foolish to trade in options; now you have an options strategy that one can follow for a fee. Finally, after ranting forever about mutual funds, that they have too expensive hidden fees, and one can pick better for him or her self, you are now, lo and behold, coming out with your own mutual fund.

It seems that no advice is to stand if you can make more money be constantly watering down or defying what you have previously said, by coming out with yet another category of investing newsletter that now proposes to advise one in the categories you previously dismissed as unsound.

Motley Fool has simply turned into a churn and burn advice mill, no matter whether one hand states the opposite of the other, we are supposed to swallow it all.
Your policy (for us) of buy and hold does not work in the medium run; balancing your portfolio, recommended by most CFP professionals, does. Your silly assertions after the crash last year of 60% that you can still make it back because the market averages 10% per year on average is also not based in reality; you have to cherry-pick your time frames to include great declines in the market to achieve the growth rates you average; the typical investor loses in that calculation. While the stock market has gained 60% this year, that does not restore the losses from last year. A loss of 60% from a $100 investment that recovers 60% only results in only $64, yet the average of those gains looks like, well, no loss at all! In reality, you have still lost 36%.

I am disappointed in my experience and the sheer number of releases you publish continuously. I can look at a stock on Yahoo and find 7 or 8 Fool releases on one day underneath, touting the stock as it sinks, or vice versa.

In short, the only recipe for success is the sheer number of newsletters you can sell, and going against your own advice for your own portfolios. You tout your numbers, but unless you timed your investments when you did, they are not attainable, nor are your current numbers that great. Your strategies, when followed, simply lose more money than gains for your naïve readers, as I once was.

Your partial advice is more damaging then helpful, and you are misleading investors, who won’t get the true picture until they spend thousands to buy all the newsletters. Indeed, you have to now have the million dollar portfolio nonsense to allow yourselves to build from all your myriad stock picks. You would not be able to achieve that by sticking to any one category that you have a newsletter for.

So, I have decided $200 a year for 1/20th of the best stocks you would buy, is not a bargain at best, and dangerous to the individual. While you pick among the whole basket for yourselves, you leave us with little help in building a well-balanced money increasing portfolio by spreading out the advice way too thin. I think you are losing more money for your participants than you are making, if you tried to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My letter to Motley Fool:</p>
<p>Dear Misters Gardner:</p>
<p>I am writing to follow up on my decision to cancel my subscription to Stock Advisor, after cancelling Rule Breakers last year.</p>
<p>I thought it possible you might be interested in why, if this letter manages to not be weeded out by assistants because it is not complementary.</p>
<p>The proliferation of your newsletters has increased from one to how many now? Over 20 at least.</p>
<p>There is no way I am getting the best advice; you must spread the best stock picks out among all these products in ever-increasing divisions of categories. Yet, that is not what an investor needs or can benefit by; an investor wants the benefit of your insight and analysis to put together a reasonable portfolio, no matter what the category, and a limited number of stocks.</p>
<p>Furthermore, your incessant publication of memos for so many stocks, often with contrary messages, illustrates the confusion and lack of message.</p>
<p>For example, a recommendation of yours, Gamestop. You encouraged me to buy and hold repeatedly. Yet, I saw one letter that advised it may be time to dump Gamestop, published on Yahoo financial, on the day that earnings showed a 20% increase. This helped tumble the price. So, publicly you publish contrary advice to the public that you give the paying customers. When I posted a complaint to your company and on the forum, I heard no reply except one that stated you have so many people writing opinions that no one has control over the content. You abrogated your own advice.</p>
<p>You advise that it is foolish to trade in options; now you have an options strategy that one can follow for a fee. Finally, after ranting forever about mutual funds, that they have too expensive hidden fees, and one can pick better for him or her self, you are now, lo and behold, coming out with your own mutual fund.</p>
<p>It seems that no advice is to stand if you can make more money be constantly watering down or defying what you have previously said, by coming out with yet another category of investing newsletter that now proposes to advise one in the categories you previously dismissed as unsound.</p>
<p>Motley Fool has simply turned into a churn and burn advice mill, no matter whether one hand states the opposite of the other, we are supposed to swallow it all.<br />
Your policy (for us) of buy and hold does not work in the medium run; balancing your portfolio, recommended by most CFP professionals, does. Your silly assertions after the crash last year of 60% that you can still make it back because the market averages 10% per year on average is also not based in reality; you have to cherry-pick your time frames to include great declines in the market to achieve the growth rates you average; the typical investor loses in that calculation. While the stock market has gained 60% this year, that does not restore the losses from last year. A loss of 60% from a $100 investment that recovers 60% only results in only $64, yet the average of those gains looks like, well, no loss at all! In reality, you have still lost 36%.</p>
<p>I am disappointed in my experience and the sheer number of releases you publish continuously. I can look at a stock on Yahoo and find 7 or 8 Fool releases on one day underneath, touting the stock as it sinks, or vice versa.</p>
<p>In short, the only recipe for success is the sheer number of newsletters you can sell, and going against your own advice for your own portfolios. You tout your numbers, but unless you timed your investments when you did, they are not attainable, nor are your current numbers that great. Your strategies, when followed, simply lose more money than gains for your naïve readers, as I once was.</p>
<p>Your partial advice is more damaging then helpful, and you are misleading investors, who won’t get the true picture until they spend thousands to buy all the newsletters. Indeed, you have to now have the million dollar portfolio nonsense to allow yourselves to build from all your myriad stock picks. You would not be able to achieve that by sticking to any one category that you have a newsletter for.</p>
<p>So, I have decided $200 a year for 1/20th of the best stocks you would buy, is not a bargain at best, and dangerous to the individual. While you pick among the whole basket for yourselves, you leave us with little help in building a well-balanced money increasing portfolio by spreading out the advice way too thin. I think you are losing more money for your participants than you are making, if you tried to find out.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/dont-be-a-motley-fool/comment-page-1/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree re: not giving any more of my money over to a company/business/broker when I don&#039;t need to.  This is one thing I love about certain DRIPs, since you really can invest for no cost (a fraction of the DRIP plans have no commissions or reinvestment fees whatsoever).

As to buying individual stocks, I consider it more in terms of purchasing the underlying businesses.  I don&#039;t really view it in the whole context of the monkey throwing darts at a dartboard.  But I also don&#039;t buy just for pure growth prospects, which seems to be where a lot of the market greed comes in anyway.  I guess I&#039;m a modest but assertive stock investor - conservative choices mostly, though I have made a few speculative mistakes which I learned really quickly from!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree re: not giving any more of my money over to a company/business/broker when I don&#8217;t need to.  This is one thing I love about certain DRIPs, since you really can invest for no cost (a fraction of the DRIP plans have no commissions or reinvestment fees whatsoever).</p>
<p>As to buying individual stocks, I consider it more in terms of purchasing the underlying businesses.  I don&#8217;t really view it in the whole context of the monkey throwing darts at a dartboard.  But I also don&#8217;t buy just for pure growth prospects, which seems to be where a lot of the market greed comes in anyway.  I guess I&#8217;m a modest but assertive stock investor &#8211; conservative choices mostly, though I have made a few speculative mistakes which I learned really quickly from!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/dont-be-a-motley-fool/comment-page-1/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MoneyEnergy: I have absolutely no problem with people picking stocks. If that&#039;s what you want to do (for any reason), then go for it. And good luck to you!

My issue is simply with businesses that:
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;promote stock picking as a reliable way to improve investment returns, and&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;make money regardless of whether or not you do.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoneyEnergy: I have absolutely no problem with people picking stocks. If that&#8217;s what you want to do (for any reason), then go for it. And good luck to you!</p>
<p>My issue is simply with businesses that:</p>
<ol>
<li>promote stock picking as a reliable way to improve investment returns, and</li>
<li>make money regardless of whether or not you do.</li>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like index ETFs and some cheap MER index funds, especially in areas I&#039;m not familiar with. But I buy individual stocks too.  I think I&#039;m a contrarian, though, or a stock hobbyist, because I don&#039;t think I&#039;m trying to beat any market or know &quot;more&quot; than institutional investors.  I guess I just don&#039;t see it in the same terms.  I probably just come from a different perspective.  I like to study the companies, I listen to what different analysts cover on the companies (I find it interesting)(I guess some call that praying at the alter of CNBC, though).  I don&#039;t see roller coasters and roulette wheels.  I don&#039;t buy a stock just because it&#039;s mentioned on the Fool (though if they give me something to think about, I might check it out).   I guess the issue just isn&#039;t a divisive one for me.  I use both strategies.   I also have certain ethical reasons for not investing in many index funds because I don&#039;t agree with some of the companies that get swept into the basket and don&#039;t want my money supporting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like index ETFs and some cheap MER index funds, especially in areas I&#8217;m not familiar with. But I buy individual stocks too.  I think I&#8217;m a contrarian, though, or a stock hobbyist, because I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m trying to beat any market or know &#8220;more&#8221; than institutional investors.  I guess I just don&#8217;t see it in the same terms.  I probably just come from a different perspective.  I like to study the companies, I listen to what different analysts cover on the companies (I find it interesting)(I guess some call that praying at the alter of CNBC, though).  I don&#8217;t see roller coasters and roulette wheels.  I don&#8217;t buy a stock just because it&#8217;s mentioned on the Fool (though if they give me something to think about, I might check it out).   I guess the issue just isn&#8217;t a divisive one for me.  I use both strategies.   I also have certain ethical reasons for not investing in many index funds because I don&#8217;t agree with some of the companies that get swept into the basket and don&#8217;t want my money supporting them.</p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a &#039;fool&#039; long ago, starting when they had a newspaper column and were on AOL. I lost BIG on CSCO.  (Nobody at Fool made me buy anything, I know)  But that did it. I took the remnants of my money and got mutual funds at Vanguard. But I still have a Motley Fool Visa at BOA - and boy do I feel foolish (typical definition) using it. 

I  sleep a lot better now. The roller coaster isn&#039;t for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a &#8216;fool&#8217; long ago, starting when they had a newspaper column and were on AOL. I lost BIG on CSCO.  (Nobody at Fool made me buy anything, I know)  But that did it. I took the remnants of my money and got mutual funds at Vanguard. But I still have a Motley Fool Visa at BOA &#8211; and boy do I feel foolish (typical definition) using it. </p>
<p>I  sleep a lot better now. The roller coaster isn&#8217;t for me.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your posts. I almost became one of the fools. I was considering signing up for their Income Investment newsletter. Thanks Slim &amp; Jason for your words of wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your posts. I almost became one of the fools. I was considering signing up for their Income Investment newsletter. Thanks Slim &amp; Jason for your words of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fool drives me nuts now. As one of the original writers it was a great experience to live through the bubble in a tech company after 15 years in the City. Now, I have no idea what its business model is.
As a passive fund manager it actually suits us to have a lot of dumb money rushing around the market that we can exploit by doing nothing. But it saddens me that the site is still attracting fools to the idea that they can beat the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fool drives me nuts now. As one of the original writers it was a great experience to live through the bubble in a tech company after 15 years in the City. Now, I have no idea what its business model is.<br />
As a passive fund manager it actually suits us to have a lot of dumb money rushing around the market that we can exploit by doing nothing. But it saddens me that the site is still attracting fools to the idea that they can beat the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Slim</title>
		<link>http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/dont-be-a-motley-fool/comment-page-1/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a recovering former member of the Motley Fool Hidden Gems newsletter.  MF is like a cult, with the brothers Gardner being the cults of personality.  I really tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but in the end I decided they really weren&#039;t any better at picking stocks than I am.  Weren&#039;t these guys English majors in college?  I let English majors tell me how to invest?

I remember, back in the day, when they used to tout their Foolish Four mechanical investing strategy.  Then they admitted it was fallacious and abandoned it.  They also used to pick on the &quot;investing establishment&quot; and how you didn&#039;t need to pay them to manage your portfolio when trained monkeys do just as well.  Now they Fools are part of the &quot;investing establishment&quot; that they used to mock.

Hidden Gems was my last experience with the Motley Fool.  Many of their picks were down.  In order to get good returns you had to get lucky and not miss their few that flew high.  The last straws for me were when Tom Gardner pretty much disappeared from HG without telling subscribers until they called him on it and he admitted that he had become the MF CEO which was consuming all his time.  This was going on when his most precious pick (SCSS) was falling apart.  The silence and lack of guidance were deafening.  So Tom Gardner bailed on the service and then, when the market totally crashed (and HG), Bill Mann suddenly had better career opportunities calling him.

I was a sucker for too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a recovering former member of the Motley Fool Hidden Gems newsletter.  MF is like a cult, with the brothers Gardner being the cults of personality.  I really tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but in the end I decided they really weren&#8217;t any better at picking stocks than I am.  Weren&#8217;t these guys English majors in college?  I let English majors tell me how to invest?</p>
<p>I remember, back in the day, when they used to tout their Foolish Four mechanical investing strategy.  Then they admitted it was fallacious and abandoned it.  They also used to pick on the &#8220;investing establishment&#8221; and how you didn&#8217;t need to pay them to manage your portfolio when trained monkeys do just as well.  Now they Fools are part of the &#8220;investing establishment&#8221; that they used to mock.</p>
<p>Hidden Gems was my last experience with the Motley Fool.  Many of their picks were down.  In order to get good returns you had to get lucky and not miss their few that flew high.  The last straws for me were when Tom Gardner pretty much disappeared from HG without telling subscribers until they called him on it and he admitted that he had become the MF CEO which was consuming all his time.  This was going on when his most precious pick (SCSS) was falling apart.  The silence and lack of guidance were deafening.  So Tom Gardner bailed on the service and then, when the market totally crashed (and HG), Bill Mann suddenly had better career opportunities calling him.</p>
<p>I was a sucker for too long.</p>
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