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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reading this from the standpoint of being a 25 year investor that unfortunately went &quot;allin&quot; a bit too soon.  I had never really got my financial situation intact after college and thus all my money was sitting in either checking or some savings.  I never had the time to look into my investments as I was working 80 hour weeks for quite some time.  After my job settled down I decided to invest all of my savings that were earning little or no interest into a few different mutual funds.  This was between Feb-March of 08.  If only I had known to wait a bit longer...

@Pete, I realize the dollar amount might be significantly less when you are younger, but the compounding of that small amount of money over the next 30 years could easily prove to be much larger than the amount you are referring to.  I still get sick thinking about losing the money I did.

I have learned a lot in the year since I last went &quot;allin&quot; and have done a lot more trading and less buy and hold.  I have seen marginal gains, but I also didn&#039;t lose 40%.  I believe a support line exists somewhere around 8,000 for the Dow and I am now again looking to possibly dump a ton into small and mid cap indexes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading this from the standpoint of being a 25 year investor that unfortunately went &#8220;allin&#8221; a bit too soon.  I had never really got my financial situation intact after college and thus all my money was sitting in either checking or some savings.  I never had the time to look into my investments as I was working 80 hour weeks for quite some time.  After my job settled down I decided to invest all of my savings that were earning little or no interest into a few different mutual funds.  This was between Feb-March of 08.  If only I had known to wait a bit longer&#8230;</p>
<p>@Pete, I realize the dollar amount might be significantly less when you are younger, but the compounding of that small amount of money over the next 30 years could easily prove to be much larger than the amount you are referring to.  I still get sick thinking about losing the money I did.</p>
<p>I have learned a lot in the year since I last went &#8220;allin&#8221; and have done a lot more trading and less buy and hold.  I have seen marginal gains, but I also didn&#8217;t lose 40%.  I believe a support line exists somewhere around 8,000 for the Dow and I am now again looking to possibly dump a ton into small and mid cap indexes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monevator, I couldn&#039;t agree more. I&#039;m lucky to have several great, regular commenters (as well as plenty of other intelligent/insightful people who&#039;ve stopped by to add their say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monevator, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I&#8217;m lucky to have several great, regular commenters (as well as plenty of other intelligent/insightful people who&#8217;ve stopped by to add their say).</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s an over-used term, but you have to consider the Black Swan effect. Something that comes along that crazily hits one asset class. Say, for instance, some political reversal that hits equity investors but leaves debt owners or savers alone.

We got a good warning in 2008 to think the unthinkable...

By the way, you have great comments on your blog. If I had such comments I&#039;d have left the option to add a comment open on Monevator.

Oh well, will just have to come here for my chatting! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s an over-used term, but you have to consider the Black Swan effect. Something that comes along that crazily hits one asset class. Say, for instance, some political reversal that hits equity investors but leaves debt owners or savers alone.</p>
<p>We got a good warning in 2008 to think the unthinkable&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, you have great comments on your blog. If I had such comments I&#8217;d have left the option to add a comment open on Monevator.</p>
<p>Oh well, will just have to come here for my chatting! <img src='http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By holding some of your portfolio in bonds and rebalancing frequently, you lose less when the market crashes and thus have more money to buy stocks at lower prices (especially if you reduce your bond allocation to 0). I haven&#039;t done the math for how profitable this is.

Right now I hold no bonds, but once the market recovers I&#039;ll add a small portion to my asset allocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By holding some of your portfolio in bonds and rebalancing frequently, you lose less when the market crashes and thus have more money to buy stocks at lower prices (especially if you reduce your bond allocation to 0). I haven&#8217;t done the math for how profitable this is.</p>
<p>Right now I hold no bonds, but once the market recovers I&#8217;ll add a small portion to my asset allocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams @ Crackerjack Greenback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams @ Crackerjack Greenback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg:

For short-term traders, the market might be a zero-sum game.  For the long-term, it&#039;s nowhere near a zero-sum game.

While the value of a stock is the agreed upon price between buyers and sellers, it&#039;s important to remember that over the long term the stock price reflects the value of the company.

If the company grows and becomes more valuable, the stock price will rise.  This is not because another investor lost money (zero-sum).  It&#039;s because the company performed well and managed the business well.  Growth on that basis doesn&#039;t require another investor to lose anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg:</p>
<p>For short-term traders, the market might be a zero-sum game.  For the long-term, it&#8217;s nowhere near a zero-sum game.</p>
<p>While the value of a stock is the agreed upon price between buyers and sellers, it&#8217;s important to remember that over the long term the stock price reflects the value of the company.</p>
<p>If the company grows and becomes more valuable, the stock price will rise.  This is not because another investor lost money (zero-sum).  It&#8217;s because the company performed well and managed the business well.  Growth on that basis doesn&#8217;t require another investor to lose anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say don&#039;t go 100% into one asset class -- keep some cash out.  Thie ensures you can execute on deals that pop up immediately.  Nothing sucks more than seeing some crazy deal pop up and not be able to execute trades RIGHT THEN.

Another thing to remember is that the market dropped 89% during the depression.  50% is nothing.  It started at a high of 311.90 on 11/29/29 and bottomed at 33.98 on 7/7/32.  Think it can&#039;t happen again?  I hope not as well.  But don&#039;t think that just because we&#039;re down 50% that it cannot go further.

&quot;Investing&quot; into this market isn&#039;t really investing -- it&#039;s gambling.  Sure, plenty of people are making lots of money... but for every person who makes a dollar in the market, someone lost one somewhere.  It is nearly a zero-sum game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say don&#8217;t go 100% into one asset class &#8212; keep some cash out.  Thie ensures you can execute on deals that pop up immediately.  Nothing sucks more than seeing some crazy deal pop up and not be able to execute trades RIGHT THEN.</p>
<p>Another thing to remember is that the market dropped 89% during the depression.  50% is nothing.  It started at a high of 311.90 on 11/29/29 and bottomed at 33.98 on 7/7/32.  Think it can&#8217;t happen again?  I hope not as well.  But don&#8217;t think that just because we&#8217;re down 50% that it cannot go further.</p>
<p>&#8220;Investing&#8221; into this market isn&#8217;t really investing &#8212; it&#8217;s gambling.  Sure, plenty of people are making lots of money&#8230; but for every person who makes a dollar in the market, someone lost one somewhere.  It is nearly a zero-sum game.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree, at least in investments for long-term goals like retirement. It also doesn&#039;t hurt that at a young age, the value of these accounts are relatively low, so a 50% drop in dollar value isn&#039;t as significant as it may be for an older investor.

For more medium and short term goals though, you have to weigh your acceptable timeframe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, at least in investments for long-term goals like retirement. It also doesn&#8217;t hurt that at a young age, the value of these accounts are relatively low, so a 50% drop in dollar value isn&#8217;t as significant as it may be for an older investor.</p>
<p>For more medium and short term goals though, you have to weigh your acceptable timeframe.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for starters, we have to consider that the average investor isn&#039;t invested personally in stocks, but rather indirectly through mutual funds. Yes, there are many who have presence in the stock market, and yes, many also who hold their own shares of company stock where they work. But outside of that, more still own shares of mutual funds, and those funds themselves can be a mixed bag of stocks, bonds, derivatives, etc.  So for many, they are acually already getting the exposure that you are talking about, they may just not realize it. 

Now with that being said, I am an absolute proponent of being 100% in stocks ( even through your mutual funds ) for a very, very long time. Why?  Because many of these stocks that you own supply you with not only appreciation but also dividends, and those payments help you to generate income with little to no effort and provide an offset during market declines. 

So I echo your sentiment of being more heavily invested in the stock market in general, and for those who are more risk averse, look to holding balanced funds and growth and income funds to give yourself some &quot;security&quot; ( pun intended!! )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for starters, we have to consider that the average investor isn&#8217;t invested personally in stocks, but rather indirectly through mutual funds. Yes, there are many who have presence in the stock market, and yes, many also who hold their own shares of company stock where they work. But outside of that, more still own shares of mutual funds, and those funds themselves can be a mixed bag of stocks, bonds, derivatives, etc.  So for many, they are acually already getting the exposure that you are talking about, they may just not realize it. </p>
<p>Now with that being said, I am an absolute proponent of being 100% in stocks ( even through your mutual funds ) for a very, very long time. Why?  Because many of these stocks that you own supply you with not only appreciation but also dividends, and those payments help you to generate income with little to no effort and provide an offset during market declines. </p>
<p>So I echo your sentiment of being more heavily invested in the stock market in general, and for those who are more risk averse, look to holding balanced funds and growth and income funds to give yourself some &#8220;security&#8221; ( pun intended!! )</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams @ Crackerjack Greenback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams @ Crackerjack Greenback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Great post.  I&#039;d say I have to agree with you.  For a young investor, it doesn&#039;t make much sense to go with anything less than a 100% stock portfolio unless you&#039;re really risk averse.

Oddly enough, I &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt; finished a post about a diversified 100% stock portfolio that will be published tomorrow (December 2, 2008).  I cover some quick facts about this type of portfolio.  I could have included a lot more, but I think those detailed numbers bore most people and don&#039;t make sense to many more.  (I know you&#039;re an exception to both.)

I have a lot of good data on portfolios like this.  Let me know if you ever have some burning question that you&#039;d like to know the answer to (from a historical perspective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Great post.  I&#8217;d say I have to agree with you.  For a young investor, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to go with anything less than a 100% stock portfolio unless you&#8217;re really risk averse.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, I <em>just</em> finished a post about a diversified 100% stock portfolio that will be published tomorrow (December 2, 2008).  I cover some quick facts about this type of portfolio.  I could have included a lot more, but I think those detailed numbers bore most people and don&#8217;t make sense to many more.  (I know you&#8217;re an exception to both.)</p>
<p>I have a lot of good data on portfolios like this.  Let me know if you ever have some burning question that you&#8217;d like to know the answer to (from a historical perspective).</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think the best argument is that, statistically speaking, a 5-10% allocation to bonds will go a long way towards damping volatility but will barely reduce returns at all.  The law of diminishing returns applies to equities as well.  After a certain percentage of your portfolio is in equities (maybe 75-80% or so) the additional return you can expect gets smaller and smaller compared to the additional volatility.  After a certain point, it&#039;s not really worth it anymore.  In the real world, a 100% stock portfolio isn&#039;t likely to outperform a 90% stock portfolio by a significant amount.  It will be much less volatile, though.  To some people the tiny extra return may be worth it, but most investors would probably prefer a smoother ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think the best argument is that, statistically speaking, a 5-10% allocation to bonds will go a long way towards damping volatility but will barely reduce returns at all.  The law of diminishing returns applies to equities as well.  After a certain percentage of your portfolio is in equities (maybe 75-80% or so) the additional return you can expect gets smaller and smaller compared to the additional volatility.  After a certain point, it&#8217;s not really worth it anymore.  In the real world, a 100% stock portfolio isn&#8217;t likely to outperform a 90% stock portfolio by a significant amount.  It will be much less volatile, though.  To some people the tiny extra return may be worth it, but most investors would probably prefer a smoother ride.</p>
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