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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very useful information, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful information, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry.

I would never put very much in gold, but I could see it having a purpose for 2-3% of a portfolio, as you&#039;ve suggested.

Incidentally, gold&#039;s volatility is the very reason it might merit inclusion. High volatility + low correlation to the rest of the portfolio means that has
great potential to offer a &quot;rebalancing bonus.&quot; That is, its contribution to the portfolio&#039;s overall return would be greater than its stand-alone return.

William Bernstein does a much better job of explaining this concept than I do.
On gold specifically: http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/adhoc/gold.htm
On the &quot;rebalancing bonus&quot; in general: http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/996/rebal.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry.</p>
<p>I would never put very much in gold, but I could see it having a purpose for 2-3% of a portfolio, as you&#8217;ve suggested.</p>
<p>Incidentally, gold&#8217;s volatility is the very reason it might merit inclusion. High volatility + low correlation to the rest of the portfolio means that has<br />
great potential to offer a &#8220;rebalancing bonus.&#8221; That is, its contribution to the portfolio&#8217;s overall return would be greater than its stand-alone return.</p>
<p>William Bernstein does a much better job of explaining this concept than I do.<br />
On gold specifically: <a href="http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/adhoc/gold.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/adhoc/gold.htm</a><br />
On the &#8220;rebalancing bonus&#8221; in general: <a href="http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/996/rebal.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.efficientfrontier.com/ef/996/rebal.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, do you see any benefit from getting (in a small way) into commodities or precious metals? I notice Vanguard has now reopened its Precious Metals Fund, and I am wondering if it&#039;s worth putting 2-3%, but no more, of my holdings into that. From what I gather, some people think PMs a good hedge against inflation; others think that even though gold could still keep rising, the volatility risk is too great to bother with. Obviously from all you&#039;ve said in this thread, PMs do not seem like a primary asset class for most portfolios. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, do you see any benefit from getting (in a small way) into commodities or precious metals? I notice Vanguard has now reopened its Precious Metals Fund, and I am wondering if it&#8217;s worth putting 2-3%, but no more, of my holdings into that. From what I gather, some people think PMs a good hedge against inflation; others think that even though gold could still keep rising, the volatility risk is too great to bother with. Obviously from all you&#8217;ve said in this thread, PMs do not seem like a primary asset class for most portfolios. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean.

That&#039;s a question I ponder myself sometimes. I don&#039;t necessarily think it&#039;d be a bad idea, but I haven&#039;t yet done it myself, and I doubt I will.

My first reason is that the difference in expense ratios between international bond funds and US bond funds appears to be quite large--larger than the difference in ERs between US stock funds and international stock funds. So you pay more for international bond diversification than you pay for international stock diversification (&lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; more, if we consider expense ratios as a proportion of expected returns for the asset class).

The second reason has to do with an investor&#039;s goals. Specifically: What is the goal for the bond portion of your portfolio? If the goal is to have a portion of your portfolio that is rather stable, then I&#039;d stick with US bonds, as currency risk will increase volatility.

If the goal is simply to add a (hopefully) uncorrelated asset class to your portfolio (much like the goal when increasing the number of stock asset classes), then an international bond fund may make sense. However, given that they have high expense ratios and lower long-term expected returns than stock funds, I wouldn&#039;t add one until I&#039;d diversified into every stock asset class I could think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a question I ponder myself sometimes. I don&#8217;t necessarily think it&#8217;d be a bad idea, but I haven&#8217;t yet done it myself, and I doubt I will.</p>
<p>My first reason is that the difference in expense ratios between international bond funds and US bond funds appears to be quite large&#8211;larger than the difference in ERs between US stock funds and international stock funds. So you pay more for international bond diversification than you pay for international stock diversification (<i>much</i> more, if we consider expense ratios as a proportion of expected returns for the asset class).</p>
<p>The second reason has to do with an investor&#8217;s goals. Specifically: What is the goal for the bond portion of your portfolio? If the goal is to have a portion of your portfolio that is rather stable, then I&#8217;d stick with US bonds, as currency risk will increase volatility.</p>
<p>If the goal is simply to add a (hopefully) uncorrelated asset class to your portfolio (much like the goal when increasing the number of stock asset classes), then an international bond fund may make sense. However, given that they have high expense ratios and lower long-term expected returns than stock funds, I wouldn&#8217;t add one until I&#8217;d diversified into every stock asset class I could think of.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Do you have any thoughts on adding a international bond fund such as RPIBX? I would like exposure to this asset class and currently I can&#039;t get it through Vanguard. I currently have an allocation almost identical to the 7 fund portfolio listed above in my ROTH IRA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Do you have any thoughts on adding a international bond fund such as RPIBX? I would like exposure to this asset class and currently I can&#8217;t get it through Vanguard. I currently have an allocation almost identical to the 7 fund portfolio listed above in my ROTH IRA.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike, for the encouraging news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike, for the encouraging news.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, from what you&#039;ve said, it appears that there is probably little overlap between your funds&#039; holdings.

Many investors would argue that you can&#039;t get more diversified (regarding US stocks) than holding a simple Total Stock Market fund. Others (myself included) would argue that you can be better diversified by overweighting small cap and value holdings, as your friend suggested.

It&#039;s impossible to say ahead of time whether a more &quot;limited set&quot; would perform better than you current holdings. All I can say is that your portfolio appears to be quite well diversified and very low cost. And in my opinion (as long as your current allocation matches your tolerance for volatility), it&#039;s hard to do any better than that.

As to the difficulty involved in rebalancing, you&#039;re absolutely right that you could cut down on the work involved by switching to a portfolio of fewer funds, but it would likely be at the cost of some (perhaps small) degree of diversification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, from what you&#8217;ve said, it appears that there is probably little overlap between your funds&#8217; holdings.</p>
<p>Many investors would argue that you can&#8217;t get more diversified (regarding US stocks) than holding a simple Total Stock Market fund. Others (myself included) would argue that you can be better diversified by overweighting small cap and value holdings, as your friend suggested.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to say ahead of time whether a more &#8220;limited set&#8221; would perform better than you current holdings. All I can say is that your portfolio appears to be quite well diversified and very low cost. And in my opinion (as long as your current allocation matches your tolerance for volatility), it&#8217;s hard to do any better than that.</p>
<p>As to the difficulty involved in rebalancing, you&#8217;re absolutely right that you could cut down on the work involved by switching to a portfolio of fewer funds, but it would likely be at the cost of some (perhaps small) degree of diversification.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you wish to comment on anyone&#039;s individual portfolio, but here goes. I am 61 years old and hope to retire in about 5-6 years. Some years back, a friend convinced me of the value of switching my IRA to Vanguard, buying only index funds, and mainly leaving them alone except for rebalancing each couple of years. Basically, he recommended a number of formulas, of which I settled on this one:

50% Domestic Stocks. Mostly Total Stock Market, with some holdings in Small Cap and Value because the Total fund is most heavily invested in large-caps, and some REIT. 
10% Total International.
40% Bonds. Mostly Total Bond, with some holdings in Inflation-protected bonds and GNMAs.

This comes to eight funds (standard index funds only, not ETFs), and is similar to the 8-fund portfolio Mike has outlined above. My question is: Is this too complicated (mainly in the sense of, is there too much duplication)? RJ Weiss writes, &quot;Many investors underrate the importance of simplicity,&quot; but he does not elaborate on his reasons.

My friend&#039;s argument was that with more funds, you have more flexibility in rebalancing. On the other hand, Vanguard&#039;s site does not make rebalancing easy, as you have to buy and sell each fund rather than simply typing in a set of new percentages (as you can do with Fidelity, where our company has its 401k). I&#039;ve complained about this to Vanguard in the past, but to no avail. But that&#039;s secondary to my main question, which is whether the 8 funds I have would perform any better than a more limited set, or even just the Vanguard Target 2015. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you wish to comment on anyone&#8217;s individual portfolio, but here goes. I am 61 years old and hope to retire in about 5-6 years. Some years back, a friend convinced me of the value of switching my IRA to Vanguard, buying only index funds, and mainly leaving them alone except for rebalancing each couple of years. Basically, he recommended a number of formulas, of which I settled on this one:</p>
<p>50% Domestic Stocks. Mostly Total Stock Market, with some holdings in Small Cap and Value because the Total fund is most heavily invested in large-caps, and some REIT.<br />
10% Total International.<br />
40% Bonds. Mostly Total Bond, with some holdings in Inflation-protected bonds and GNMAs.</p>
<p>This comes to eight funds (standard index funds only, not ETFs), and is similar to the 8-fund portfolio Mike has outlined above. My question is: Is this too complicated (mainly in the sense of, is there too much duplication)? RJ Weiss writes, &#8220;Many investors underrate the importance of simplicity,&#8221; but he does not elaborate on his reasons.</p>
<p>My friend&#8217;s argument was that with more funds, you have more flexibility in rebalancing. On the other hand, Vanguard&#8217;s site does not make rebalancing easy, as you have to buy and sell each fund rather than simply typing in a set of new percentages (as you can do with Fidelity, where our company has its 401k). I&#8217;ve complained about this to Vanguard in the past, but to no avail. But that&#8217;s secondary to my main question, which is whether the 8 funds I have would perform any better than a more limited set, or even just the Vanguard Target 2015. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Tiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Tiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the underlying funds of Vanguard target funds are index funds, the management style is active--the fund&#039;s management team does the work of rebalancing and reallocating for you--so this is not a pure passive investing approach, unless by passive you mean &quot;I don&#039;t have to do anything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the underlying funds of Vanguard target funds are index funds, the management style is active&#8211;the fund&#8217;s management team does the work of rebalancing and reallocating for you&#8211;so this is not a pure passive investing approach, unless by passive you mean &#8220;I don&#8217;t have to do anything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi RJ.

With an ER of just 0.19% and absolutely no work involved, I recommend Vanguard&#039;s target date funds to lots of people. If they match your targeted allocation, what&#039;s not to love? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RJ.</p>
<p>With an ER of just 0.19% and absolutely no work involved, I recommend Vanguard&#8217;s target date funds to lots of people. If they match your targeted allocation, what&#8217;s not to love? <img src='http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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